Mar 6 2011 10:00am

Eve and Roarke Are DOA and So Not a Supercouple

Naked in Death by J.D. RobbGreat crime fighting duos are timeless. Batman & Robin, Starsky & Hutch, Holmes & Watson, and the list goes on. But they’re not very romantic. Not to me anyway. So, who are the couples who detect by day and well, a-hem, you know what by night . . .

My all time favorite caped crusading couple is David and Maddy from the TV series Moonlighting. Here you have Maddy, former model turned private eye, and David, a schlep of a man down on his luck and needing a job. Their disdain for one another eventually turns into something more. Major ha-cha-cha.

More recently we have Castle and Beckett from the TV series Castle. Castle is a James Patterson-esque novelist and Beckett a hard nosed detective. The opposites attract formula works really well here. One is rich, one middle class, and both are pretty hot.

Outlander by Diana GabaldonAs far as books go, we have this couple who appears on list after list as one of the greatest romantic couples of all time. Eve Dallas and Roarke (no last name apparently) from J.D. Robb’s Romantic Suspense series In Death. I’d never read the books before, so I decided to check it out. I had to; some romance blog had Roarke beating Jamie Fraser from Outlander as Romance’s all-time greatest hero.

There are many fans of this series and I am afraid for my life typing this. They will not be very happy with what I am about to say.

In Death, much like my hope for this couple, was DOA—dead on arrival. The clichés were sooo cliché. How cliché? I rolled my eyes more reading this than my tweener does when I check the cleanliness of her room.

When Roarke meets Eve, you know what his inner thoughts are as he sizes her up: “She had a mouth made for sex.” My mouth instantly filled with vomit. Gross. Just absolutely gross.

This couple basically acted like hormonal teens, like a couple on a soap opera from the 1980s. Eyes meet, they think nasty thoughts, and they fight the attraction with a nudge-nudge, wink-wink. You knew where this was going from the start, no surprises what-so-ever.

Roarke made comments to Eve like, “I will have you, when I have you . . .” Really? You ain’t got me, I’ll tell you that, buddy. Zero depth to these people. They are opposites in many ways, had rough lives, whoopty-doo. Same goes for the other duos I name above. And the series takes place in futuristic 2060, which is definitely not my thing. Oh, and I figured out who dunnit in the first fifty pages. That really ticked me off.

I am a James Patterson junkie. Patterson, Cornwell, and Brown. Thrillers, serial killers, international mystery—I devour them. So Robb, aka Nora Roberts, really needed to bring her A game in the mystery department and failed miserably.

I guess I should have said this right away: I am not a cookie-cutter romance-reading type of gal. Human emotion, raw emotion, gets me every time. The characters I choose to share my time with have to be layered, deep, and challenging to me as a person. When I read a book, I do not want the author to believe I am stupid. So stupid that I must be read/written down to. I lost some brain cells reading this.

Glory in Death by J.D. RobbSome fellow aspiring writers asked me to give the series a chance, at least until the third book. Third? Why should I waste my money three times? But for the sake of research for this post I gave in and bought the second novel, Glory In Death. I will not be buying the third. The crime/murder bored me to tears. Right away you have Eve investigating, Roarke linked to it, blah blah blah. A repeat of book one.

As I skimmed through I found a love scene. It actually gave me hope for the couple. They had a nice chat about life. Yes, I like that. The conversation turned to a pretty hot make-out session. Not bad at all. The tide started to turn. Then Roarke did it again. The line read like this: “He let himself empty into her, heart, soul, and seed.”

I literally threw the book across the room. Seed? Really? In the middle of making love/lust you have images of the word seed and of it emptying into someone? Grossed out yet again. Cliché after cliché, these books left me shaking my head. No way in this world does Roarke come close to Jamie Fraser from Outlander. No way at all.

People in romance reading and writing circles praise the chemistry of this couple. Chemistry? If you're going by the fact that they saw each other from across a room and wanted to do each other in ten seconds flat, then okay, they have good chemistry. But it’s superficial, fake, and contrived. You take Jamie and Claire from Outlander and their attraction was so subtle at first and it was built up in layers and turned into this love . . . a story so gut-wrenching that it will stay with me forever.

Maybe it got better after the next few books—there are like 30 in the series—but if J.D. Robb wants me to read them, I want a refund on the first two.

If Hollywood made this into a movie, the only way I’d go see it would be if Ashley Judd played Eve and Gerard Butler played Roarke. At least I’d have some decent eye candy get me through the crappy plot.

Jamie and Claire are still the couple to beat, IMO.

Chemistry: HA-CHA out of a full HA-CHA-CHA.  They get it on pretty, as long as they don’t talk or think.

Tension: 1 of out 3 MUSCLE KNOTS; a neck roll would shake it

Conclusion: 0 out of 3 SIGHS; more like 3 out of 3 Yawns. I saw it coming. 


Charli Mac, Aspiring Author, Mother, Wife & Part-Time Clown, Twitter @CharliMacs

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Lisa Red Kastner
1. Lisa Red Kastner
Love this post and totally concur!
Lisa Red Kastner
2. Brenda D
LOL, awwww, C, you kill me--with laughter.
I haven't read any books from this series and now I'm wary if I should.
I am a Claire and Jamie fan, soooooo....yeah.
Lisa Red Kastner
3. Jenn B.
It's tough to know how to comment on this kind of blog post because at the end of the day, it comes down to opinion. It's clear that something about Claire and Jaime really worked for you and I'm glad you've found a couple that you enjoy reading so much. The sense I got while reading your post was that you couldn't understand why ANYONE would see Eve and Rourke as a super-couple. Your blog post seems to imply that Claire and Jamie are the ultimate couple and every couple who is not like them... well, blows.

You called their attraction "fake, and contrived" - words I struggle with because as a reader, their attraction was anything but to me. It was instant and dramatic – and yes, a little superficial, because that’s what physical attraction is at first. What I adore reading about Eve and Rourke, and I buy every book the day they come out - is their absolute, unequivocal rightness for each other. Both characters are pragmatic, cautious and damaged in their own ways. I think most importantly, to me, while the series is a romance series, it is first and foremost Eve’s story. She has found a partner that smoothes over what is harsh within her, soothes what is troubled and eases the burdens she carries. Although we know a great deal about Rourke, Eve remains the heart of every one of the novels. Part of Rourke’s journey includes the separation from his past, including his father, which is why he chooses to use only one name. Part of their shared experiences is a hesitancy to have children, which is perhaps why his internal dialogue included the fact that he was sharing all of himself with her. (I'd way rather read "seed" than "man juice", personally) There is a rhythm and flow to the In Death books, just as there are flows to our lives. This is not to say the books are flawless - there are some missteps in characterizations and plot but overall, I find that Eve and Rourke reflect a “post” Super Couple. They got their happy ending in the first book. The rest of the series is about what happens after that as they build a life together.

I think you raise an important point when it comes to discussing characters – what works for one reader, may not work for another. However, using another novel and other characters as the only frame of reference presents a difficult construct when you’re critiquing other characters. It’s especially tough if you’re playing “count the clichés”. Outlander has its own fair share. Someone who adores Jamie and Claire may not like Eve and Rourke but there may be many fans who enjoy both. So, of course “Rourke doesn’t come close to Jaime”, no more than a Porsche comes close to an Arabian.
Tara Gelsomino
4. Taragel
I liked a lot of Nora's traditional romances back in the day, especially her trilogies. I gave this series a shot, because a lot of folks said the protagonist had a lot of the elements that I love in a heroine (tough, slightly damaged, independent, etc.), and while Eve does have a lot of that, I couldn't get past how over-the-top alpha Roarke was. He's such a throwback and the smug, presumptuous, controlling nature was not for me. One of the first scenes was him waiting for her in her darkened apartment without her permission. Put me in mind of how everyone complains about Edward Cullen watching Bella sleep. Stalkery much?
However, lots of people dig that Alpha Male stuff. It's escapist for them, I'm sure.

Sounds like you're far more of a fan of the slow buildup than the insta-connection. I'm with you there. I love me some UST before there's RST.
Lisa Red Kastner
5. Bill Peschel
As a couple, they have pretty hot sex, and she's a compelling character, as most kick-ass characters are. But she is one of mystery fiction's two worst detectives (the other, and based only on one book so I might be wrong, is Alex Cross).

Her basic M.O. is to yell at her suspects until they break down. There's very little actual detecting, very few conclusions drawn from clues. But there's a lot of threats, and a lot of very dodgy behavior (which Nora Roberts gets away with by setting it in the future and using the "modified" Miranda rights, which must include rules for bullying).
Charli Mac
6. CharliMac
@ Lisa the post loves when people concur!

@Brenda Jamie and Claire, swoon and sigh! I am a contemporary girl but got The Outlander at a conference. Devoured it.

@ Jenn, when you google the most romantic couples of all time the same names keep appearing. Rhett & Scarlet, Romeo & Juliet, Noah & Ally, Elizabeth & Darcy, Eve & Roarke and of course Jamie & Claire. For me Eve & Roarke don't make the cut.

I am not surprised that people love this series. I am surprised they are revered by romance readers as a super couple. For me the argument is does this couple deserve to be on those lists. For me it was a big no. Not only was the romance cliche but I found the prose lacking in style. Life is a cliche but, IMO, JD Robb's were so blatant I really rolled my eyes reading. These books are also in the Mystery/Thriller section of my bookstore. When I figure out who the killer is by page 50, that is really bad.

Seed, man juice, all gag worthy. There are better ways to describe a physical climatic moment. If this was 1750, JD may have gotten a pass on the seed bit, maybe but it's not.

Jamie and Claire are among my faves but not the top of my list. Honestly, for me, my fave couple of all romantic Literature is Francesca and Robert from Bridges of Madison County. It's not Romance but it is sooo romantic, IMO. Their love was so pure, deep, and it transcended time. They fell in love at first sight and it worked for me on so many levels.

And Jenn, you do these character more justice in your defense of them then JD did writing them. Your insight on how and way work made me feel more for them in these few paragraphs than in the two books I read.

@ Taragel I love Nora Roberts' Sea Swept series, Sanctuary, and Black Hills. 'Tis about it. There were moments where I had hope that there might be some depth, JD starts scratching at them but she doesn't come through. Yeah, I like the alpha male but Roarke is way too over the top. I LOVE THE SLLLLOOOOOOWWWWW build up. Yummy!

@Bill I read most of the Alex Cross series. I stopped reading last year. Same old stuff. Roses are Red folllowed by Violets are Blue I really loved. Eve as a detective, yawn. These are romances masked as thrillers. And for me there is very little real romance and no thrills what so ever. Sex, yes, romance no. The sex is pretty steamy but only when the word seed doesn't appear. LOL.

Is Eve compelling, yes. JD has set her up to be very complex but doesn't really go beyond a basic set up.
Lisa Red Kastner
7. Jenn B.
Hey CharliMac - thanks for the follow up. To pick up on one of your comments . . . I'd like to hear more about your thinking on "seed". At the risk of getting a little graphic, I'd be curious in hearing more about your thoughts on describing that particular act. At its most base, that's what sex is - fertilization. For a man who built a castle for himself but never really found a home, until he met Eve, of course - the act of having unprotected sex is symbolic and it made sense to me that at that moment, he would be thinking about what it means to plant his proverbial, and literal, seed with this woman. So to me - that one word and its related implications (fertilization, growth, roots) means a lot. And now I will never look at a seed packet the same way ever again...

This is why I love the internet - and more importantly, this blog. Where else can you discuss word choice in such gooey detail? *cough, cough*
Charli Mac
8. CharliMac
@ Jenn, LOL. I will have to go back and find the excerpt but for me in the moment he thought this he wasn't thinking about babies, I believe. It was a pretty hot scene and when I read that it screeched to a halt.

Remember, I'd only read the first two in the series and I do not believe at this point the reader knows this much about Roarke, something that deep and profound about him, just surface things. Like I said before, you are doing far more for these characters than JD. If she conveyed that to me in this passage I would've felt more for him. They way I read it just sounded...seedy. LOL.

IMO, these characters had a ton of potential but JD nevers delivered, for me. But I like really deep emotional reads.

There are plenty of ways to describe an orgasm without referring specifically to semen, seed, jiz, or the like. LOL. Is that they way you spell jiz?
Lisa Red Kastner
9. Jenn B.
What a way to start a morning :)
Let's set aside Rourke for a moment - you said "There are plenty of ways to describe an orgasm without referring specifically to semen..." and while I agree you can, is it necessary? Why is necessary to remove the biology from the moment? Let's say that the man was having the flash of insight I prematurely (ha) gave to Rourke and he was thinking about the permanence that unprotected sex entails and the author wants to convey that in his internal dialogue. Jizz or other such "crude" words would absolutely pull me out of a romantic novel but semen or seed communicate the biology without bringing in the bow chicha bow bow.

So now you've got me wondering - Do authors consciously (or unconsciously) censor their characters due to their own personal comfort or discomfort with particular words?
Charli Mac
10. CharliMac
@ Jenn, for me, seed takes the romance out and only leaves the biology of it. Like a national geographic episode. The word to me is NOT romantic at all, very sterile and cold. But that's me.

And I'd never want to read jiz in a novel. Maybe for me, when reading a passionate love scene I think more of what is going on in the heart than what's coming out of their bodies. We all know sex makes babies but it's also an emotional connection and JD took all that away from me as the reader with the word seed. The emotional connection you made with Roarke's use of it did not, in any way, come across that way to me.

Remember, one of his first reactions to Eve was to comment she had a mouth made for sex. So when he made the seed inner thought I was pulled out of the emotional build up JD had created and left me thinking Roarke is a ego maniac.

Seed for me is not romantic, loving, or even sexy. It's biology 101 and that's not why I read love stories. Seed may not be a bow chica bow bow word but it's cheesy, IMO.

I am also from an inner city neighborhood and we use the word seedy to describe many things dirty and gross. That may be part of it too.
Laura K. Curtis
11. LauraKCurtis
I liked Eve and Roarke in the beginning. They wore on me once their relationship seemed to get to the end of the exploration. That was in, oh, about 5 books. But that's not really Nora's fault--5 or 6 books is usually my limit in a series. To carry me further than that, I need something really exceptional in either romance or mystery, and the Robb stuff is neither.
Kaetrin @Kaetrin's Musings
12. Kaetrin
Well, I'm basically with Jenn B on this. I love Jamie Fraser and I think Jamie and Claire (who is occasionally annoying but I do like her) are indeed a super couple. I have all the books and adore them.

However, I also think that Roarke and Eve are a super couple. Obviously the books didn't work for you but they certainly work for me. For all his alpha tendencies, Roarke doesn't smother Eve - he's terrified at the risks she takes but he knows he can't wrap her in cotton wool as that would make her someone she's not. No the books aren't perfect but what book is? I also think that Eve is smart and dedicated and a good cop. I don't read a lot of police procedurals - I'm in it for the romance but I do enjoy the in Death books. I have all of them in paper and on audio - Susan Ericksen does a great job of the narration. I heart Roarke. (I don't think Ashley Judd or Gerard Butler could play the couple in the movie though - Eve is longer and taller - Ashley Judd is beautiful but too busty and pretty for the role. Gerry (as much as I lust of that man) isn't quite "elegant" enough. Plus Roarke has long dark hair and wild Irish blue eyes. No, someone like David Gandy is a bit closer or (in looks but not the German accent!) Andreas Jancke would work for me. But, of course, that's just my opinion! I love the sex/love scenes in the In Death books and they don't squick me out at all. I realise it's horses for courses but I don't see what you see at all.

As for The Bridges of Madison County - blech. I didn't find cheating romantic at all. (The only reason I was okay with it in Outlander was because technically Claire wasn't married to Frank in 1743 as he hadn't been born yet - but even then I had to think about it for a while before I was okay with it).
Charli Mac
13. CharliMac
@laura I think I would've have been able to enjoy the books more if they were either one or the other, mystery or romance. The combo didn't work for me.

@Kaetrin While I agree Ashley and Gerard may not look exactly like Eve & Roarke, I was going for their personalities in the role. I think other characters they've played were similar.

For me, Claire was cheating. She could've gone back. But true love won out so it wasn't an issue for me. Bridges of Madison County for me was such a pure love at first sight story, a love that lasted only days physically but lasted both characters a lifetime. Francesca even said, without those few days with Robert, she'd never have lasted so long on that farm with her family. Their love saved her in many ways.

While no book is perfect, no marriage is either. I do not condone cheating in any sense but I know people who've met the loves of their lives in not so perfect of circumstances.
romance reader
14. bookstorecat
I just recently read Naked in Death because the series is so popular and I figured, hey, if it's still going after 40 books (FORTY, PEOPLE, FOUR-O), there must be something truly SPECTACULAR going on in there and I'm missing out...right?

Not so much.
15. teeh5445h
Jenny B....I agree with you...that is three periods!!! Tee
Carrie Martin
16. Martin133
I can't figure out if you comparing apples to oranges, or airplanes to boats. Totally different types of books and authors. Doesn't seem fair to trash one author because you prefer another. Keep what you like, pass what you don't to Salvation Army. I stopped buying the Outlander series at the 4Th book, I still buy Robb's.
Lisa Red Kastner
17. Gennita Low
I'm with Jenn B. on this too :-). For me, J.D. Robb broke ground with Eve and Roarke, combining romance with mysteries without fuzzy details of the relationship. I love how she has grown through the stories and even though I'm bks behind, I could pick one up and Roarke and Eve would fit like a pair of comfy slippers. Eve wasn't a romantic person in the beginning at all, and it was wonderful watching her come out of her shell. She's strong and is written as a true "kickass" heroine, meaning yeah, she pulls that trigger, baby, when she has to.

I liked the first two Outlander bks but the series became more like a travelogue and women's rights fiction to me as the books got thicker and thicker. I know many readers find Claire and Jaime romantic and I don't begrudge their passion for this couple, but Eve and Roarke's relationship is just as rich, only in different ways.

Naked in Death is one of my top rereads on my Keeper shelf. There are many subtle and romantic moments in certain scenes. Like when Roarke kept a button from Eve's jacket in his pocket--the richest man on earth, holding on to a cop's torn button. And the coffee. And especially the way he watched her, figuring her out and realizing that he wanted to protect her. Their problems didn't disappear overnight and each book tackled them with humor and a lot of romance, and after so many books, the voice is still edgy. Eve hasn't mellowed that much.
Charli Mac
18. CharliMac
@bookstorecat I cannot imagine reading any series for that many books, even ones I love.

@tee I love how we can dish, agree, and disagree on books here! Thanks for commenting

@Martin If you read the comments and the other supercouple posts its not to compare the books or their authors. Various lists rank this couple as one of the supercouples of romantic fiction and literature in general. For me, they did not hold up as a super couple in the company of others on various lists. For me, they lacked entirely. And I never read the subsequent novels by Gabaldon. I was that satisfied with The Outlander I didn't want anything to ruin the experience.

@Gennita I have to admit, Naked In Death where Roarke keeps her button really got to me. I loved it and it spoke volumes about his character. But that was as deep as it got for me. The coffee was a nice touch but he's rich so I expected him to do as much. The mystery part of the two I read were so poorly executed. I figured out the supposed mystery from the get go. And while Eve's character is tough throughout I thought it totally out of character that Roarke saves her in the end of the first two (I only got that far in the series). If you are going to write a series about a tough female cop you can't have the guy keep saving her in the end. Thinking about that button still makes me sigh though.
Lisa Red Kastner
19. Gennita Low
I'm glad you agree on that button, then :). I think Eve and Roarke were envisioned to grown little by little because Robb had a long series in mind, but yes, it's not for readers who don't do series.

BTW, as an aside, I think Castle's characters are Roarke and Eve-lite. Very lite.

Also, I hope one day to read your pick of a romantic suspense super couple that fills your requirements of romance and toughness ;-). The topic would interest me.
Lisa Red Kastner
20. booklover
I see no problem with seed being used in any shape , form or fashion, it is what it is(I understood what she was saying). I love Eve and Roarke, the futher I get into the series the more i like them. I consider them a Super Couple.
Lisa Red Kastner
21. leftoverrecipes.wordpress
Do you like other Nora Roberts books? This is her style in all of them. All her heroes are alpha males, and some are even more obnoxious. All her romances start with over the top sexual attraction (I've sometimes wondered if she's an Ayn Rand fan because of that). She didn't do anything different with Eve and Roarke except for continuing their story over 40 books.
Point to note - in the first book, Roarke didn't save her. He arrived in time to prevent her from beating the murderer to death.
I think it's a matter of style and taste. Personally, slow build ups send me to sleep, and cheating really turns me off. Moderately alpha males are fine with me (some of her heroes are too much, though). To each his (or her) own :)
Lisa Red Kastner
22. Sharonb
I don't get why the word "seed" is such a bone of contention. In fact it was used in Outlander as well. For example: "I'm sorry," he mumured. "I didna mean to hurt ye. But I do want to be in you, to stay in you, so deep. I want to leave the feel of me deep inside ye with my seed."
I have no problem with that. But then I'm not a reader who would rather have the scene cut to the drapes blowing gently in the breeze when things get hot in the bedroom.

Eve and Roarks may not be Catherine and Heathcliff (my personal all-time super couple). But they are hot, sweet, smart and a great way to unwind at the end of the day when I'm looking for something light and escapist.
Lisa Red Kastner
23. Michelle C
Dear Charli Mac,

I don't understand your dislike of the JD Robb series. There are many fans including me who are truly going to mourn the day Nora Robers stops writing them. I agree with previous opinions. My dad loved mystery and crime novels and I found them incredibly dry and boring. Yet some how Ms. Roberts managed to combine characters who have intense sexual chemistry and combine them with very intriguing murder mysteries where I often can't guess who did it at the end but every novel is riveting just due to the dynamics between the characters. I have listened to the audio books more than once and still chuckle at the interactions between Dallas and her now partner Peabody and since she had such a hard childhood the funny way Eve always uses the wrong phrase i.e. chickens in a row instead of ducks and then when someone corrects her she questions why. As for the use of the sexual terms I've been reading romance novels for over 20 years and Robert's sex scenes are some of the steamiest I've ever read and I think that's good not bad. They're romance novels and sex, really good sex should be part of romance. They are a super couple because they distract the reader from "real life" and that's what these books manage to do.
Lisa Red Kastner
24. boemum
Big difference between Thrillers and Romantic Murder Mysteries. How can you right them off as worthy if you have not read the series. No depth to the characters? Kidding me? We get intimately as deep into the characters one can possibly get. It just seems like a whole lot of nothing written about something you were pre-disposed to hate. It makes no sence to me that you would spend so much time just to stomp on a proven book seeries and beloved couple. But then again many people do these blogs to get attention. Mission accomplished but not original at all.
Lisa Red Kastner
25. Kelly L
I have to agree with Jenn B & Kaetrin. I love Eve & Roarke. I devour & collect all of the books. I do admit, though, that it was book# 3 that actually hooked me. The novellas & 1st 2 books were good, but when she had my eyes watering in the 3rd, that was it. My boyfriend gets a running commentary whenever I read one. She has me laughing, swearing & eye-watering out loud. Usually I'm more into the cases in these kind of books & don't pay much attention to the interpersonal relationships, but Roarke is so perfect for her, even if he might not be what someone else might want in a man. (I think he's pretty hot, myself). I even enjoy their arguments as much as the rest. Everyone is entitled to there own opinion, of course, but I feel they are much deeper than given credit for. You just have to get into there back story more. I could go on and on, so I'll stop here.
Lisa Red Kastner
26. Kell L
BTW I love Castle & Beckett too!
Lisa Red Kastner
27. K.ovie
Its Dec. 2013, and I still love the Eve and Roarke books. I definitely see how some of the series would turn people off, but I think to love a series you have to get deep into it. Unfortunately 2 books won't do it. However, if you're not into series this is def. not for you. I like my dramas short, (love korean dramas) and I don't like ones over 16 to 20 episodes. Some love ones that go on for years, not my bag. I think that the series is amazing, and shows how this stifled cop who thinks that the way she is doing it will work forever. Then she meets a man who she falls for, and instead of the regular sweeping off her feet she cautiously sets foot into the world that will soon become hers. You read as they discover the many ways to love, trust, and fight for the life they have and the life she lived. On top of that the part of her that is all cop is definitely interesting. I found the cases, and the way she solved them more than adequate. Cops aren't such intelligent genius guru's, they find the scene examine it surmise what happens and then do the footwork. She does exactly the same, and the only difference is that she has a computer that helps with statistical outcomes. She doesn't bully, but rather makes it known she won't just believe the bullsh*t. I love a lot of books, and this series is one of my favorite. Like another commenter said no book is perfect, and there are always cliche's. How can there not be, because we were all taught the base fundamentals of book and movie based love early on. I however don't think of them as a super couple, because I think if the characters were real it would embarass them to be called that. Instead I think of them as two people that found what they need, and are constantly finding new ways to express what they mean to each other. They are not perfect, but reading about their trust, love, and rightness is something anyone can enjoy. Though now I'm gonna check out the Outlander series :)
Lisa Red Kastner
28. henstott
Take the time and read them.
One thing Nora Roberts does well is make her books worth reading. You become invested in them. I personally can't wait for the next one. I have read every one...and the charecters are so great. OK..we would all love a roarke...evan an Eve....but ... I personally wait for every one. they are fun, and inventive and take you away from reality...that is why I read...To enjoy a few hours of them..they are well worth the time. I can't wait for the next one to come out.
Lisa Red Kastner
29. Robin Janney
The In Death books are a good example of writing by formula, and there's nothing wrong with that. I read them when I want something light to read. Sometimes that formula is just what my brain needs to relax. And yeah, the revised Miranda is just one sign that they do not play by our rules in this futuristic fantasy land. It isn't our society and so you can't judge it that way.

Never was much of an Outlander fan, but to each their own. :)
30. Tanikova
I admit that when I reread the first few books I don't like them as much as the later ones where both Eve and Rourke have grown and evolved...

I can see the changes and the growth in both main characters and even many of the supporting characters...

The one where a young child survivor of a home invasion murder of her entire family and her best friend still brings me to tears every time ... the scene in the morgue where she is saying goodbye to her parents, housekeeper and brother is a wrentchingly heartbreaking intense scene..
Lisa Red Kastner
31. One for the Books
Evolution. Okay here is the story you start out with a basic couple. show tension and bit by bit you evolve your characters. they have hot sex.. yes because the writer is a romance writer. Stuck a bit on the older ideas which comes through in the scenes. focusing on only the interactions they have with each other is silly. Rourke has his business and she has hers. she is more butch girl than most read... and Rourke is more thinks he owns the world. which the writer makes fun on in Eves coments about running the world. are they a supper couple crime fighters... HELLL no! they are two people in love. her insights grow with each book as she gets better at her profiling and looking at the trail. her character has grown more than Rourke's to the point they might need to kill him off just so she can grow some more. or turn the focus completely to Rourke as Dallas disappears for a few books and bring her back. our focus is always on her but it skews the view by doing this. only little blips we see of Rourke. they are a good read just stop thinking and read. let your mind flow with the story and it makes sense. stop disecting the living hell out of them. you have more fun reading that way and can actually enjoy the characters. and take your favorites of the Bloody pedastel and sit thier arses on the ground again for christ sake.
Lisa Red Kastner
32. Stevie
I'm an avid romance reader. That does put me in a different category from the blog author. I will never bash someone for their opinion, especially after they've read the book. If you bash something you've never read or watched, all bets are off.
I was hesitant to start this series because I love Nora Roberts romance books, but I've fallen in love with the characters JDRobb writes. Especially further in to the series. It's reached the point where I kind of skim through the love scenes and focus on the crime part itself. I'd recommend the author jump further ahead in the series, as the first several are as much about Eve and Roarke finding their rythym as it is the crime. Origin in Death is, in my opinion, the best of the series. It has it all. You have the murder, but once the mystery is uncovered, part of you is glad they're dead and you sympathize with the killer. As a reader, you're looking at issues we may face in our time, the way science is going, and it makes you think. I love the entire series, and own most of the books, but I can see how a Patterson fan may not enjoy Eve and Roarke the way I do.
Lisa Red Kastner
33. Susan aka InDeathSuperFan
Okay, I understand that this is at least 4 or so years old. BUT how can anyone (in their proper minds) not be a JD.Robb fan?. I LOVE Eve and Rourke and Peabody and McNabb etc. etc, Seriously this series has only 2 other series that is as good as it is. Those are the Wayward Pines books/tv show and the Harry Potter books/movies. I'm collecting ALL the In Death books just like I did with HP and WP.
34. RobbFAN
Rourke and Eve are an enduring couple,they have what it takes to keep the fans happy. Which really means that ROBB/ RPatterson is a writer that caters to the black people IMHO. His manner of writing of seems to be that black people that speak properly, not the thug nation language that MOST black people use. I'm around that sort of thing on a daily basis and I don't care to read it. Rourke and Eve have a relationship that all of us women want. And THAT is the strenght of ROBB/ROBERTS writing. She writes more books that are BETTER books, and makes more money than patterson ever will imho...
Lisa Red Kastner
35. ebookmaven
I love reading the comments and how passionate people are about their favorite characters and books. Taste is so subjective, you can't expect people to love what you love. And as they say you never step into the same river twice.
There are plenty of books that I read and loved as a young adult that I would hate today as a 40 year old. I have more life experiences and my world view has changed a lot in 20 years. Things that seemed new and fresh would now be tacky and trite. The boddice rippers that our grandmothers liked to read would not be well recived today, society and our views on love, sex, and marriage have changed.
So just take it in stride that people don't like Nora Roberts or whoever your favorite writer is. They may be standing in the same river, but the current is different.
Lisa Red Kastner
36. valione
I'm hearing someone without enough imagination to like characters that haven't been immortalized by some actor. Wow. just wow -- the fact that you are an 'aspiring' author says quite a bit. The fact that you can be this negative and mean spirited about an author who has written and published 44 novels under this pseudonym alone tells us loads about your own ablilites. Green is not a good color for an 'aspiring' author
Lisa Red Kastner
37. valione
I'm hearing someone without enough imagination to like characters that haven't been immortalized by some actor. Wow. just wow -- the fact that you are an 'aspiring' author says quite a bit. The fact that you can be this negative and mean spirited about an author who has written and published 44 novels under this pseudonym alone tells us loads about your own ablilites. Green is not a good color for an 'aspiring' author
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