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Oct 22 2013 2:57pm

Veronica Roth’s Allegiant (Divergent #3) SPOILER THREAD!! (MAJOR SPOILERS)

Allegiant Spoiler Thread

Allegiant by Veronica RothThis post on Veronica Roth's Allegiant—Book 3 in the Divergent trilogy, out today—is made up ENTIRELY of SPOILERS and is intended only as a place for fans to gather and discuss the book AFTER reading it, so if you have yet to finish, steer clear of anything after the jump. Go finish the book, then come back. 

MAJOR SPOILERS BELOW THE JUMP.

SPOILERS SO MAJOR THEY WILL RUIN THE BOOK FOR YOU IF YOU HAVEN’T READ IT.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

***LAST CHANCE: Seriously, leave this post now if you haven’t finished AllegiantThis is a post to discuss the entire book.

Well, kids, this is it! The final book in Veronica Roth's Divergent trilogy (on the bright side, soon we'll have Tris/Four in movies!). Will Allegiant live up to our expectations? (On a personal note: Will it be better or worse than Mockingjay? I found that one very disappointing.) Let's discuss, shall we?!

Now, I just started reading on my commute to work this morning (the sole benefit of an hour-long train ride), so I'm only about 10% through, but I'd love to see this thread bursting with thoughts. I'll be sure to check back as soon as I'm done to join in on the discussion.

For now, here are my admittedly-stream-of-consiousness thoughts:

—Kinda wishing I'd re-read Insurgent before jumping in, as I have a terrible memory and the events of the end of the last book are only slowly coming back to me.

—So glad Tris and Four Tobias have the chance early on to clear the air about all the lying and subterfuge between them in the last book. Did they ever discuss that fear she had about telling him about shooting Will, though? Because that seemed to be her biggest concern, not Four Tobias not trusting her and her capabilities enough. I never did get why she thought he'd blame her for protecting herself, but I guess guilt and (I'd assume) PTSD will do that do you.

—zmakeout sessions ftw! Take all the happiness you can, guys.

—While I'm a bit worried about The Village-esque direction the story's taken, I am enjoying Four Tobias' internal struggles with loving vs. hating his mother and wanting to find out what's in the outside world vs. not wanting to borrow (more) trouble.

...To be continued!

ETA: Continuing in the comments as @redline_ as I read, since I haven't been able to read more than an hour or so at a time yet (sob).

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9 comments
Heather Waters (redline_)
1. redline_
Tobias rescuing Caleb by making him think he was marching him to his death was both evil and awesome. I'm sad, for some reason, to think that Caleb really is so self-involved as to care most about looking out for #1. Was he just really great at pretending in Abnegation?

Looking forward to seeing what Tris, Tobias, & co. find once they get beyond the city...
Meagan Claire
2. Meagan Claire
So are you done with the book yet? Because I am and I keep waiting for your big revelation post. I'm not sure this is a series I could read over and over again.

MASKED SPOILER

I mean, Dumbledore is one thing, but it's like we just switched to Hermione as The Chosen One, and I can't take it.
Meagan Claire
3. bells mom
Didn't see it coming, but felt uneasy until it did. I'm with Meagan Claire. don't know if I could go through it again., I reread all the books before so was just in time for the release. Now Im sad I read the fourth book.
Heather Waters (redline_)
4. redline_
@Meagan Claire @bells mom -- I did finish it and I just felt...underwhelmed, so I'm not sure I'll have a lot more to say, unfortunately.

I'm not even that upset that Tris died, because I can see the appeal of tragic love stories, and it's a dystopian, so Happily Ever Afters are unlikely.

But, man, I just didn't feel very engaged. I didn't understand where Tris was coming from for a lot of the book--like, I knew she'd never actually let Caleb die for the group (if she had she wouldn't have been the character I thought she was), so I found it annoying that we spent so much time with her pretending she would. Does that make any sense? And I just hated the whole genetic pure/genetic damaged thing for many reaons, especially because it all took so much time to explain that it felt like Allegiant was mostly info dump.

Basically what I'm saying is that I totally agree with you guys: not sure I'll be reading this again.
Meagan Claire
5. candace hoffman
I loved Tris's character and her and Tobias's Love story. I so badly wanted things to Work out. I'm heartbroken :( I knew she wouldn't let Caleb do it but when she survived the death serum I thought there was a chance. I don't even want to watch the movies now lol!
Meagan Claire
6. Honey bunny
A Little Late but..
i am so angry. Also I didn't finish the book I only checked the last pages if she was really dead.:D
I mean I understand that it makes sense that she woul rather die herself. And I understand that important people need to die in book to make it more realistic. BUT Uriah died, and so did tris parents and tori and will..
i think she should have survived. I mean i was reading the books and waiting for the time when they can finally be together and have time for each other but it's just not happening and then she dies.
I think enough people died. It's the same as killing katniss. I was sad when prim died but it made sense. It doesn't make sense that tris dies.
Meagan Claire
7. blueline
im really sad that TRIS died at the end :(( i wanted her to suvirve and stay with TOBIAS.
Meagan Claire
8. Lunanie
To be honest, I’ve heard about this series pretty late, actually just two weeks back when I watched a “Everything wrong with Divergent”-video on youtube. The movie seemed pretty cool, so I decided to get the books and read them all in two days. I’ve been reading a lot of books throughout my life, and I do understand that sometimes some characters have to die. It’s sad, but most of the time I’m okay with that, because it actually saves a purpose. Killing off your own characters is never easy. I get that.
That’s why I was so shocked when I read “Allegiant”. Not only did Veronica Roth kill off a LOT of characters, she even killed off her main protagonist – and for NO REASON AT ALL. The internet is full of people gibbering on about how it served a purpose and had a deeper meaning because the author said so. And all I do is sit here and shake my head back and forth.
It wasn’t necessary at all, and it was deeply illogical. It wasn’t like there was no other choice. She could still have saved the day if Caleb had failed, but… sacrificing herself for her brother, who betrayed her in a way I have no words for? Sacrificing herself after realizing how much she wanted to LIVE, how much she wanted, needed to be with Tobias because they completed each other? Sacrificing herself after all she had done to him already? This completely contradicts her whole character development!
Some of you will say “Hey, she couldn’t know David would be there.” – and I’ll say RUBBISH. Because David being there was so predictable it’s not even funny anymore. On top of that, she couldn’t have known she would survive the Death Serum either. So she willingly sacrificed herself. She knew she was never going to make it and she didn’t even want to, or else she would’ve taken her gun after she blasted the door.
Veronica Roth claimed Tris had to die because she finally realized the true meaning of selflessness. And either that’s just a lame excuse for her “I didn’t know how to finish my series”-ending, or she has a twisted sense of what selflessness is about.
What Tris did was nothing but selfish. She hated Marcus for hurting Tobias when he was a child and did nothing but hurt him herself. Not physically, but emotional. After she killed Will she was so devastated, so full of guilt, she tried to sacrifice herself over and over again, despite his pleas. What Tris did was evil, in a way. Because Caleb has to live with his guilt now – betraying his family and letting his sister sacrifice herself. Leaving Tobias behind, the one she knew she had redeemed so much. The one she knew loved her more than anything. The one she promised to she would never leave again. Leaving Christina behind, who had lost so many friends already. Leaving behind everyone who needed her so bad, including the society, which she could’ve – SHOULD have – helped to rebuild.
Quite frankly, in these final moments, neither Caleb nor Tris strictly HAD to die. Even if I do accept her urge to save her brother, Tris could’ve taken her gun with her. Veronica Roth could’ve resolved the whole problem without killing Tris or Caleb off, instead she decided to erase all the character development Tris made, decided to turn Tris into the martyr she had decided NOT TO BECOME, decided to turn her into a saint – and nobody even mentions how little sense that makes. Not just the act itself, but… it doesn’t change anything. Her death doesn’t magically resolve a huge conflict. Her death doesn’t make Tobias realize how precious life is or anything. It just served NO PURPOSE AT ALL. Caleb’s death would’ve made more sense, not because he deserved it, but because it would’ve affected Tris so deeply. There was so much potential.
With all due respect, but I hate this ending from the bottom of my heart. I sincerely hope there will be a fourth book in which we’ll learn that Tobias – somehow – was under simulation or dreamed the whole thing. Or Tris. Or both. I sincerely hope she writes another book which contradicts at least half of “Allegiant”… Please, at least let the movies end differently… this ending was just unworthy, unnecessary and illogical.
Heather Waters (redline_)
9. redline_
@Lunanie -- No worries, there are a lot of people who agree with you (myself included), they just might not be the people talking about it. I was disappointed by the ending. Not so much that Tris died but WHY she died and the fact that, as you said, it was pretty illogical and pointless. It felt like a shock-value move rather than one that made sense for the character.

My biggest problem is probably with the whole book, though--I found myself not caring what happened because the characters weren't making much sense and there was a lot of info dump, etc. etc. It just...wasn't a very good book, in my opinion.
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